Re: Thank you for give me infomation

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Posted by Savaka ( on May 20, 2000 at 14:11:27:

In Reply to: Thank you for give me infomation posted by Mister Hebat on May 19, 2000 at 15:09:33:

Hey there, guy. Just call me Sav. No need for that "Mr Savaka" formality.

I only have a difference of opinion in the fourth possibility.

You wrote:

"4th possibility (in the case of great Bodhisatvas like Avalokitesvara (Kuan Shi Yin Pu Sa), Manjushri, Kshitigarbha, etc
Common men - Enlightment - Rejected Nibbana/Nirvana - Boddhisatva - help the living being till they all reach the Boddhi."

These are among the differences in the interpretation of the suttas between the different traditions.

In Theravadin traditions, the advent of Enlightenment or the attainment of Nibbana brings about the end of rebirth, the end of passions.

If the process flow of the fourth possibility you suggest is observed with Theravada thought, then it is the motions of a powerful arahant and the diagram will be very slightly revised as such:

Common man -- Enlightenment -- Rejects or forestalls parinibbana -- help the living in myriad ways until kamma is fully exhausted -- attains parinibbana.

The above flow is the lifestyle of certain arahants. One arahant that is greatly respected in Burma (Myanmar) follows this method. His name is Arahant Upagutta. He was the son of a perfume maker who lived many hundred years after the Buddha died. When he attained arahantship, he battled Mara, the jealous god who had a bone to pick with the Buddha.

Arahant Upagutta won. And Mara had to submit himself to Upagutta.

It is said that Upagutta has made a vow to remain alive in Samsara until he can meet Buddha Metteya (Sanskrit: Maitri). The story goes that he dwells in a magically created air-pocket at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. Once in a while, he will come out and beg for alms, especially if he knows a Buddhist is in trouble and will benefit from giving alms to an arahant. In Burma, it is said that if you meet a monk begging early in the morning who is tall and dark, and whose robes appear slightly wet at the ends of the hem, the monk is Arahant Upagutta.

In the Theravada sect, the title of Bodhisatta is reserved specifically for the human who seeks to become the Samma Sambuddha.

I believe these differences are merely the uses of terms. After all, "bodhisatta" means "Being of Enlightenment" and therefore can be applied in other ways.

Your introduction of the terms Sotapanna, Sakadagami and Anagami brings in a totally new topic in our discussion.

In Theravada tradition, these individuals are called Ariyans, the Noble Ones. And much are said of them.

If you don't mind, I would dearly love to hear what you have to say about them in accordance with the tradition which you practise.


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